Pajo was a member of Corgan’s post-Pumpkins group Zwan.

David Pajo, aka Papa M and a founding member of post-rock greats Slint, has some words about his experience working with Smashing Pumpkins frontman Billy Corgan.

Pajo was a member of the alt-rock supergroup Zwan alongside Corgan and does not have fond memories of working with him. On a recent episode of the podcast Kreative Kontrol, Pajo details Corgan’s “bully mentality” and compares him to Donald Trump:

“When the campaign was happening, I was like, wow, Trump is so much like Corgan. I’m sure Billy loves this guy. I know he’s a Trump supporter. He has to be. He’s got millions of dollars. He’s got that ego. He loves the bully mentality.’ I don’t keep up with him, and I don’t wanna talk bad about him. But I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he was a Trump supporter. In fact, I’d be more surprised if he wasn’t.”

Pajo also believes Corgan can off of as progressive, but in reality is not:

“It’s probably really weird for a lot of people. [He] can very convincingly front that he’s a sensitive liberal person, but maybe now that Trump’s made it OK to not act like that, for people like him, he’s gonna start shouting that.”

Corgan has previously justified some of Trump’s behavior in various situations, including the alleged possibility that Trump hired prostitutes in Russia to pee on a bed that President Barack Obama once slept in, as noted by a BuzzFeed-published dossier. “I hate to make the most obvious point: if you’ve got 10 billion dollars, you’re not hiring hookers,” Corgan told 97.9 The Loop’s Mancow Morning Show.

Back in 2015, he thought it was “cool” that Trump was running a Presidential campaign that, in Corgan’s words, took the current political landscape and aimed to “fuck it up”: I think what’s cool, and I’m not saying I agree politically, but I think what’s cool is Trump’s running chaos theory,” Corgan said during a pre-show Q&A in Cincinnati. “He’s forcing a lot of things out into the open, so they can’t control this, whatever that control is.”

He continued: “It’s like the music business: everybody gets controlled, and somebody comes along that fucks it all up. So I think it’s good that he’s fucking it up, because whether or not he’s the guy, obviously the political class doesn’t want him there, it’ll open it up to a bigger dialogue.

Pitchfork notes Corgan appeared last year on conservative talk radio host Alex Jones’s show to talk about “social justice warriors.” No word if Jones played Corgan any of his sick acid house tracks.